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Dec 17 02 9:15 PM

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Hi, I was just wondering what optional rules, if any people use from the rules.

A personal favourite of mine is any double rolled when firing(not 6's) causes smoke and casualties are reduced by half.

I also like the optional brigade Morale rule on page 50, it certainly can cause an army wing to collapse.

I wondered if anyone used any optional 'club rules', what with christmas approaching it might spice up the GdeB forum to share these with other people.

To start things rolling:
I propose a -1 modifier to all rolls for all french units(except Guard units), after all these rules like others have a tendency to favour the French and to a limited effect the British.

I hope your WW2 rules don't do the same for the Germans, Dave!
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Eclaireur

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Dec 17 02 10:37 PM

Sir Henry,
some good ideas there old chum. My favourite optional rule is to allow certain armies a spread of morale grades for each unit and to determine whether they are conscript, 2nd Line, Line etc when they first come into action.
As for the WW2, yes, Dr Brown is rather keen on the Germans. He does listen though !
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EC

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Dec 18 02 10:02 AM

Sir Henry,

Listen in old boy! I must say that the army with the greatest benefits is actually the British army!

As it should be! Tally ho!

DB

PS EC, The advance artillery rules don't do much for so-called German superiority!

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Dec 18 02 9:52 PM

Sir Henry, Old boy!

You seem to be picking a fight against us Frenchies...! I reccomend the standard rule of -1 to all of Sir Henry's armies in GdB III and -2 to those against the French & a -3 to the brits (well Dave say's they tend to favour them)

Vive da Frenchies image image image

Neil

[This message has been edited by Elin (edited 18 December 2002).]

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Dec 18 02 10:27 PM

Sir henry

I suggest all players over the Xmas and New Year period must eat a plate of their armies national dish before playing a game of Generaldebrigade.

hence the
British - Roast beef and Trimings +Beer
Russians- Caviar(Buluga Naturally)+Vodka(Large)
Austrians/Prussians ect-Bratwurst or similar +Beer(Vast Quantities)

and of coarse the #
French Frogs legs and snails washed down with a inferior local wine.


Thank God I'm not French
Kutusov

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Dec 18 02 10:45 PM

To all who have contributed

I must protest against the -1 for all my armies, are they not disadvataged enough with me as their commander!
Neil, if you still insist on the -1, then you can expect a visit from my second, pistol or sword I am a proficient in both.

Back onto more serious ground now, has anyone used the weather rules on page 50 much. Why not include rules for mist and fog or failing light, that could spice up your games.

Or following on from Eclaireur's point
why not roll for your commanders when they first issue their orders to determine their ability on the day of battle. Afterall even Napoleon had off days, Waterloo was one that springs to mind.
Personally I am no good before 12 noon myself, ask Mrs Sir Henry!

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Dec 19 02 11:19 AM

In response to all these so called "major powers" and in support of the Minor Nation status, just remember in many a battle the victory was achieved (or lost) by the efforts us, there are very few Brits or Frenchies victories that are soley achieved maybe we should be granted +4 for morale, firing and melee purposes.

Who fears the Old Guard when you are the likes of Brunswicks Oels, Bavarian Chasseurs, Saxon landwher, etc.

If Dave is too much a Francophile then there are too many Prussophiles around and there is nothing better to see a Prussian shako at the end of a Saxon Sabre.

For 2003 - you "super powers" look out for the march of the Minor Nations.

I would just like to say that the discussion board is a great success and a joy in reading all the comments.


Rgds

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Dec 23 02 2:51 PM

Several alterations we use to the rules.
Good Generals have the option of a + or - 1 on the dice roll. This can prevent the disastrous 'stand unformed' (falter) result when testing to be charged, when a -1 could result in a retreat (less danaging by far for the charged unit). It can also prove decisive in the cavalry persuit test.
We also have added a +1 modifier for units testing to charge which have not been fired upon. And a -1 modifier if units which are charging are outnumbered by 100% or more.

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Eclaireur

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Dec 23 02 11:49 PM

Simon,
why do you stop units standing unformed when charged by cavalry ? Sure, it's potentially disastrous but I feel it's a situation that's entirely justified historically and, if you're playing the cavalry commander, one of your few chances for bringing off a spectacular result.
regards
EC

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Dec 24 02 8:49 AM

Dear Eclaireur,
Not so much when charged bu cavalry, I would hope they would have been in square by then, more often when charged by infantry.
The Falter result is by far the most damaging to the defending unit and in my book should be placed below the retreat result in the 'Being charged' column.

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Eclaireur

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Dec 24 02 9:28 AM

Simon,
I certainly know the feeling of wishing a unit would run rather than receive a charge unformed. It is though quite a valid situation for either the chargers or charged to unform. It does not always decide the melee either. During the recent Waterloo game I charged a French cuirassier regiment with 60% casualties which unformed as I went in, and I LOST, getting a push back !
If you're arguing that the 'stand unformed' result should come at the bottom of the morale table, well, maybe, but surely it's not worse than routing ?
regards
EC

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Dec 24 02 4:02 PM

A retreat may be better for that individual unit but creates a hole in the line which the enemy may be able to exploit, especially as the unit which caused the retreat will be able to act next turn. If it hits a unit which has faltered then although it may do damage, it is itself vunerable to counterattack while unformed.
Swampster

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