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May 19 11 2:14 AM

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Hello Gentlemen (and the intermittent Lady):

We threw a random meeting engagement together and came face-to-face with an issue we hadn't encountered in our previous dozen games.

It was French vs. Austrians, several brigades each. A town of a few buildings was in the middle. We set the occupancy limit at 80 troops.

Everyone tactical marched and marched to arrive at the town within the same turn, with the French winning the iniative and actually being the first troops into the town. The Austrians responded in their movement phase by also entering into the town.

Here is where things started getting a little weird. Initially, we let both sides -- two battalions each -- fire on one another ( which we think we discovered later to be incorrect since they have actually both gone unformed at this point )

Then we (correctly I think) went into melee in the following turn, skipping that turn's charge phase for this part of the battle.

Should the French have received the bonus at this point for "holding" the town? Are they both still unformed? Also, at this point there are about 60 some French fighting about 80 or so Austrians -- way over the 80 capacity of the town. Do they all fight or do some have to stay out of the town to be fed in as space allows?

The French threw back the Austrians in that first melee, and then the Austrians reformed and stormed the town again. The charge was made onto only one side of the town, so do both defending French battalions need to make the morale test or only the one that was defending that particular side? - the other French battalion in the town was being hammered on a different side by Austrian 12-pounders

And if/when the Austrians closed to melee on that one side would they go hand-to-hand with only that one French battalion or fight all Frenchies defending the town?
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Rudorff

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May 19 11 10:11 AM

My view is that if the French move into it first then the Austrians cannot move into it in the same turn - (the advantage of getting the initiative) - the Austrians would have to assault it in the next turn.

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DCRBrown

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May 19 11 12:04 PM

R,

Rudorff suggestion is the easiest to implement - who ever gets there first (irrespective as to whether they have had time to fully occupy the feature) are deemed to occupy and the opposing units must assault (declare a charge) to enter the buildings.

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May 19 11 7:44 PM

I'll go for that -- easiest sometimes is best...

But for the second part -- which happened after the French did gain control of our little hamlet -- the second Austrian assault.

That there are two Frenchie battalions in the town, each occupying the sides nearest the Austrians (leaving two sides unguarded) do they both have to make moral rolls to stand the charge/assault? Only one was positioned on the side where the two Austrian battalions came into the town.

Both Austrians made their roll to come in, now do we need one or two French rolls? Do we make one French roll (mmm...French roll, now I'm hungry) overall and let that result stand for both battalions?

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May 19 11 9:59 PM

Whoops, missed that bit - the French player should nominate which sides of the BUA he is holding, up to half of the figures within the BUA can man one side. This matters for firing only, it doesn't effect any charge/melee.

When the Austrian player makes his roll to charge home, the French player makes a "To Stand" roll for each unit within the BUA. If both stand then both will fight in the subsequent melee phase, their actual position within the BUA is of no matter - think about it as a game mechanic. The largest unit would get any out-numbering factor if applicable, and each would make their own melee roll. Only the highest is counted, same for the attacking Austrians.

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